Dear All,
I've gotten quite a few emails and letters asking how judges are making decisions on which groups are voted off Sing Off. Most agree though I got a few suggestions to put down various crack pipes.
What I'm listening for is to be moved or entertained. If that doesn't happen my experience has to kick in and I must analyze in a way I can quickly relay my thoughts to the bands (I like to call em bands...) Each subsequent performance should show improvement at a rate that makes me comfortable giving the band a record deal next week. Solving one problem and creating another can happen too. I feel I need to project into the future a bit to see if the band is heading the right way and doing it quickly enough. Can this group make good, interesting records song after song?
FACE
A very talented group of singers from Boulder Colorado. They had loads of things in their favor. Good voices, relatively good pitch and blend... fatally for them they chose a song by Bon Jovi that they had to move down a few keys and that really made the "dude next door" image a liability. They were the group that could have related to the common man but they shouldn't have sounded common. I'm sure with the right song choice they could have survived that show, but the judgement call indicated there was a long way to go until they were making records. Their swan song showed they might just get there one day.
SOLO
Full of soul, vibe and heart but were just too far behind in terms of the basics of arranging. A few of them could well make good recordings as solo artists, a point that Shawn made well. But its the way they work together. Any a cappella act is going to go sharp and flat but the trick is that they listen and do it together. If the audience don't know, who really cares? But if they don't know we're in trouble. I hope that they get some other opportunities as a result of the show, at least individually.
NOTEWORTHY
That was a tough call. The mormon girls were good sports about my input and my urging them to cuss. haha. These kids sang as in tune as anyone. They weren't voted off the show because they weren't good or because they were an all female group as they seemed to imply (Maxx Factor are all female and there are only four of them). They were solving problems and creating others in my opinion. They had star quality but it wasn't there when I closed my eyes and listened. They fall completely inside a type of a cappella group that you see on campuses and I hate to say they're a dime a dozen but they haven't found their unique voice. Having all female voices creates a challenge, but then again so does having all men frankly. And with a female group you sort of know going into it what those challenges will be. They tried to address the challenge I think but they didn't help their sound in the process. If you're still scratching your head then please imagine Sinead 'O Connor on the stage alone singing in a whisper. That would blow us away (and has) and its a cappella. Sometimes subtraction is key, dynamics and knowing your strengths. I didn't see these girls landing that plane this series although I wouldlove nothing more than for them to have great success and show us all. One TV show, one judge... just a long in the line of opinions they'll endure as we all do in our careers. They're very good and I believe we haven't heard the last of them.
MAXX FACTOR
I did hate to cut this group because they were filling a very special niche and were the most radical group in the running. Only four of them. They were basically running a race in a go cart and working out ways to stay in. They artfully implied that there was more music going on than there
actually was - that's artful in any kind of arrangement, a cappella or otherwise . They were very relaxed about the spaces they left and that was attractive musically. As much as I loved their voices, they didn't have a home run lead singer even though Leslie definitely has her own style and can hold her own. Sonically live they were very powerful, the only group that I often heard straight off stage vocally over the actual in house sound system. They tuned like a brass section, not like they'd learned from auto tune or recording separately to keyboard tracks (and muting). Unfortunately the go cart ran out of gas. They were up against equally talented groups who pulled ahead because they had the resources in terms of numbers and serious singers. So good luck Maxx Factor - your swan song was class and we expected nothing less!
SOCALS
Ouch it hurt to cut this group too. I really personally related to them as personalities and musicians but I still didn't have a solid picture of their collective musical identity and that's key to making records. They came together over the course of the series in ways none of the judges expected. I was hoping for a slay on their last song Hazy Shade of Winter, which is what it would have taken for them to have put any of the remaining groups out of business. But I felt the awkward interpretation of that song didn't help the case that the group had a 'voice'. The three remaining groups now all have solid thumbprints. I feel the SOCALS are moments away from completely knowing who they are but they're still swerving - I'd have liked for them to have had that defining moment happen during this show, but hell, if its next year then right on!
Maybe this will clarify where we're coming from, what we're listening to. And of course I'm always open to what you're hearing out there so twitter (@benjaminfolds) and let me know. One of the great things about a cappella is how powerful it is in person. It touches a nerve and moves people in a way that probably goes back to the dawn of man/(woman!). Any one of these groups would blow you away off mic in person. Its hard not to love it all when you're in the middle of it and very hard to distinguish pitch because really we're not meant to care about that stuff so much. But on TV its under the microscope and it has to live up to the high standard of perfectly tuned musical instruments. I've been learning a lot listening to the playback and the production people continue to improve on the sound. But is a genre in process, not just a TV show in process.
Sincerely,
B. Folds

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Noteworthy and FACE
Honestly, I've felt that the cuts you've made have been perfect thus far. Noteworthy was good, but they just didn't have it. I really didn't like FACE at all. This show has been great and has kept me hooked btw. An excellent look for Ben Folds!
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great feedback
I'll admit I didn't know who you were before this show, but after watching it on Hulu I'm a fan. I was impressed that you didn't shy away from musical terminology when giving feedback to the groups ("modulation", "tri-tone substitution", "dynamics", etc...), and I agreed with what you told them. I thought you showed that you don't have to nasty and mean like Simon Cowell to give negative feedback. In fact, if he really quits like the news says he plan to, it would be cool if you took the gig.
a cappella or just contemporary a cappella?
Ben,
Let me start by saying I loved that the Sing Off happened, and that you were very insightful as a judge. Regardless of my points below, the publicity that the show garnered for the a cappella world was priceless, and I hope that it is picked up for a subsequent seasons and expanded beyond its original schedule. I don't know what the ratings were, but I really hope they were big.
That being said, there are aspects of the show that kept me from enjoying it as much as I wanted to.
Going into it, I hoped that the Sing Off would follow a format along the lines of So You Think You Can Dance, which has a lot of parallels vis a vis raising the public awareness of an art form, and showcasing as many of the flavors of that art form as possible.
In the case of SYTYCD, the competitors randomly choose which dance style they will be performing for each of their contest numbers, and it could be ballet, contemporary, jazz, various ballroom styles, Bollywood, Broadway, etc. They are all represented on the show approximately equally.
This also forces *all* the competitors to compete in styles that might not be the one they're most comfortable with.
My feeling was that the focus of the Sing Off was almost exclusively on contemporary a cappella almost to the exclusion of everything else, and featuring music primarily from the 1960's forward. This put some groups at a distinct disadvantage for most of the competition, and others at a distinct advantage.
I would have much preferred a format where the a capella style was randomly drawn for each competition performance, and included contemporary, barbershop, jazz, madrigals, gospel, and any others you can think of, in approximately equal amounts.
Don't get me wrong, I love me some Deke Sharon arrangements. And I understand that Sony expects to make money on this venture, so they are looking for groups which they believe have commercial potential. But if that's what the Sing Off is going to be, then call it a contemporary a cappella competition from the start.
In the interest of full disclosure, I do have an opinion about contemporary a cappella devices such as vocal percussion. I enjoy it, a lot, but it still falls into the category of "novelty" for me; a tool to be used in a couple of songs in a group's show set, not all of them.
First, if you are a vocal percussionist with the skills to sound exactly like an actual drum, is it really a cappella anymore? If you are making unvoiced percussive sounds to imitate an instrument, the ensemble is no longer purely a vocal ensemble. It's the difference between a string quartet providing percussive sound via pizzicato vs. having the bass player bang his instrument with a stick. The latter isn't a string quartet anymore; the timbre of the sound is no longer "string".
Second, if I'm sitting there as a listener marveling at how much the vocal percussionist sounds exactly like a real drum set, I'm no longer engaged in the message of the song or being transported by the music being produced. It keeps me out of the moment.
Sorry for the long comment. I hope the producers of the show are able to bring it back again better than ever next season, and that you will be involved again as a judge.
Regards,
Allan Webb
Executive Producer, American Harmony
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Dear Ben.
I love you.
Its amazing to see you back on tv.
- a long time fan.
From a music teacher
I’m a second-year middle school choir director in central Pennsylvania...and I just wanted to say a huge THANK YOU for what you brought to “The Sing-Off!” When I saw the previews I was really excited about the concept but worried that it would turn out like all the other reality talent shows out there...decent musicians, but poor feedback and too commercialized to really have much musical meaning or integrity. I was channel surfing last Monday night and landed on NBC about halfway through the premiere episode of “The Sing-Off” and my jaw literally dropped as I heard the feedback you were giving to the groups. Finally, I thought, here’s a professional musician that not only knows what he’s talking about but can articulate it in a way that is meaningful to the performers, makes sense to the audience, and still be honest and musically accurate in compliments and criticisms.
I have always loved the genre of “pop a cappella” singing (I think there needs to be a style distinction made with a cappella singing, because comparing pop a cappella to Palestrina a cappella, for example, is very different!), but quite often it’s poorly done with little to no musical value incorporated in the experience – for the singers or the audience. I was so glad to see that “The Sing-Off” chose a variety of quality groups that sang great arrangements of good charts! In fact, I was so happy with the series that I told all of my students about it and actually incorporated an episode of the show into a few of my general music classes. Many of my kids had never even heard of the genre, let alone seen or heard anything like those groups. They loved it! I’m hoping to try a pop a cappella type piece in one of my middle school choral groups, if I can find an age/ability-appropriate arrangement or come up with an appropriate song to arrange for their voices myself.
I think you really have something here – pop a cappella has the potential to be a great vehicle to get the youth of our country singing again. I would love to see some kind of educational video or even a curriculum series based on the concept created by this show. There are many teachers that turn their noses up at pop vocal music, but if they could see the musical and popular potential in pop a cappella, I think that would all change for many of then! There is also quite a need for quality arrangements of popular music appropriate for high school choirs. Most of the published arrangements of pop a cappella I’ve ever found are way too difficult, or insanely cheesy, and neither are worth spending precious rehearsal time on them.
Anyway, thank you so much for your contribution not only to this TV show, but to the popular music world! I appreciate your ability and integrity.
~Meredith
Re: Bubs making an album
Hi Ben,
I just wanted to write a quick note and say that your comment during the judges' selection piece was a little bit frustrating for all the Bubs fans out there/anyone involved in collegiate a cappella. You said something along the lines of, "The jazz hands are great, but this is for a recording contract. Can the Bubs make a record?"
The answer is empirically, emphatically YES. They have made 27 (I believe that's the latest count) award-winning records to date. They changed a cappella forever with Foster St. (1991) when they started doing popular arrangements and vocal percussion and no one else was.
Now that's their history, so the argument many people make is: what about the current group of guys?
Well, the 2009 album, Play the Game, was just released, so we'll see how many awards that racks up.
But 2008's Pandaemonium won...
all four all-male categories of the 2008 Contemporary A Cappella Recording Award including best album, best song, best solo AND best arrangement.
A perfect score from RARB (Recorded A cappella Review Board)
How can there be any doubt that the Bubs could make an absolutely amazing album? I think your comment just gave fuel to the fire to the Bubs' critics that they are using too much choreography (a lot of which seems to have been added by the NBC producers for the translation to TV) and that they can't sing. Which is ridiculous.
Anyways, I love you and your music and your judging style (please let's have some real constructive criticism from the other judges), but I just thought I'd write to tell you what you probably already know, that the Bubs can make an incredible, award-winning, popular album!
To Ben and All regaurding Sing-Off
Hey there Ben,
I will start this off by saying I am a big long time fan of yours, as well I enjoyed being able to see you live on stage a few years back when you opened up for Tori Amos in Palm Beach, FL.
I was exceptionally critical upon see you as one of the judges, wondering how your seat on the judges panel held any validity. I was impressed with your feedback to each of the contestants though I think you; Shawn and Nicole were generally holding back just a bit too much.
What I really want to address here is FACE. FACE is good; I went to their website and found a few albums I would love to have in my collection. I did see why they could have never made it past the first night, as disappointing as that sounds. While watching their performance on TV, I think I just rocked out to the choice of song rather then really listen. Having loved them as well as a few other groups I went to NBC's website as well as YouTube to listen over and over again. After my 3rd and 4th time listening to them against the other performances that night, I felt our judges made a good choice. Sadly Face just didn't bring IT to the stage as well as some others did. If you really think FACE got a bum rap then buy the albums already produced by them. Folks it is up to you to get them on the map from this point on. I am sure Mr. Folds would agree with me, the best way to vocalize that the judges made a mistake is by boosting them to fame yourself.
SOLO, I think these guys need more time they were the youngest group in the competition and it did show, and less is more in the case of trying to showcase each of their vocal abilities. a good director could put them on the map even make them a solid competitor a year from now.
Next up is Max Factor, Honestly I had the hardest time listening to these ladies because I recognized the songs they were singing and couldn't get the original out of my head for comparison, I love Barber Shop quartets, I belonged to one myself while I was in high school, so I didn't know why they grated on my nerves so much. Until I realized I had to tone that dang original tune out and just hear them. Max Factor represented the very roots of their competition. Understanding that made it hard to let them go, but seriously could they make a successful commercial record?
Noteworthy, sadly these girls had it together; I think for the songs they attempted to tackle, they did an incredible job. As far as the journey goes I hope it is far from over, a little direction and those girls would be dynamite.
As far as the SOCALS go I knew it was down to the SOCALS or Voices of LEE.
I loved them both with great equality. The lead SOCAL VOCAL rocked us out with a great version of a great Queen song, but sadly I think that was their best performance, the others definitely not on the same level of intensity or emotion or style.
The three that are left are definitely good for a commercial album each with its own niche. At the end of the day I am happy to see that my honest favorites have advanced.
Should there be a second season, and I hope there is, it might be a better idea to give the contestant more than one song to be judged by before sending any one home. I think the quick emergence and even quicker departure on the first night was a bit disheartening.
Thanks for listening all and Ben
Good luck to the final three
And may there be a second season to look forward to